This was our second hike on this trail. The first time was in the spring and there was still lots of snow. We thought that was what made it a hard hike. Summer and no snow didn't make this one any easier. In our opinion, this hike is harder than Mailbox. Definitely a leg-burner. Bathrooms at the trailhead and there's lots of parking. This hike tends to only have experienced hikers that know trail etiquette, which is nice. It's well maintained and although you do have to do some walking on the John Wayne trail, it's not for long. At the end of the John Wayne trail there is a waterfall on the right. We climbed down to enjoy it for a bit before starting the long trek up. Small glimpses of the surrounding mountains. It was rather crowded at the peak so we sat just under it on a large flat rock for lunch. This is an awesome trail to run down, until you hit the John Wayne trail again.